Earle,
What would you consider the "typical" RMS level range to be of commercial "pop" music -- i.e., artists such as Celine Dion, Josh Groban, Michael Buble, etc.?
Tom
RMS Levels
Re: RMS Levels
The usual RMS level is between 10 and 13db's. It is also dependent of the music. classical music does not need to be loud.tcatzere wrote:Earle,
What would you consider the "typical" RMS level range to be of commercial "pop" music -- i.e., artists such as Celine Dion, Josh Groban, Michael Buble, etc.?
Tom
Fortunately, it appears that we are seeing more songs with a lower RMS level and the need to preserve the nuanes (dynamics) of the music.
Most of the music I do for most companies are now happy to have the RMS level between 11 and 13db's.
Earle
Re: RMS Levels
Earle,har-bal wrote:tcatzere wrote:
Most of the music I do for most companies are now happy to have the RMS level between 11 and 13db's.
Earle
I assume that when you refer to these RMS levels, you're talking about "average" levels (not maximum, minimum or total RMS levels). Is that correct?
Tom
Re: RMS Levels
Tomtcatzere wrote:har-bal wrote:Earle,tcatzere wrote:
Most of the music I do for most companies are now happy to have the RMS level between 11 and 13db's.
Earle
I assume that when you refer to these RMS levels, you're talking about "average" levels (not maximum, minimum or total RMS levels). Is that correct?
Tom
I am referring to the average RMS level.
Earle
Earle,
I had either sent to you or posted a screen capture of what a few tracks from this Green Day album looked like after I had imported them into Pro Tools.
You commented that they looked like a 2x4.
One can't argue with the success of this particular album. They know their market. It's at about 4 million units so far.
It is hard to listen to more than a few tracks. But then again, I'm not an angry, hyped 19 year-old - anymore,
I'm VERY much looking forward to Har-Bal 2.0. It sounds like it automatically does what I've been using 1.5 to do - to check my mixes so that I can re-mix and re-mix and re-mix.
Francis Ford Coppola once commented that his greatest talent was the ability to re-work something over and over until he ended up with something that was 'okay'. My mantra for sure.
I had either sent to you or posted a screen capture of what a few tracks from this Green Day album looked like after I had imported them into Pro Tools.
You commented that they looked like a 2x4.
One can't argue with the success of this particular album. They know their market. It's at about 4 million units so far.
It is hard to listen to more than a few tracks. But then again, I'm not an angry, hyped 19 year-old - anymore,
I'm VERY much looking forward to Har-Bal 2.0. It sounds like it automatically does what I've been using 1.5 to do - to check my mixes so that I can re-mix and re-mix and re-mix.
Francis Ford Coppola once commented that his greatest talent was the ability to re-work something over and over until he ended up with something that was 'okay'. My mantra for sure.
I've always used SoundForge to check RMS levels. A few months ago I upgraded from ver 5.0 to ver 8.0, and noticed that the RMS readings are sometimes 2-3 db closer to zero on v8 compared to what v5 would report on the same source material ? Has anybody noticed this ? Anyway, what app are you guys using ? I've always thought -12 is a good level to shoot for. I'm especially interested because I'm about to release a rock album and would like to give the mastering engineer a general guideline.
Mike
Mike
Mikemflorio wrote:I've always used SoundForge to check RMS levels. A few months ago I upgraded from ver 5.0 to ver 8.0, and noticed that the RMS readings are sometimes 2-3 db closer to zero on v8 compared to what v5 would report on the same source material ? Has anybody noticed this ? Anyway, what app are you guys using ? I've always thought -12 is a good level to shoot for. I'm especially interested because I'm about to release a rock album and would like to give the mastering engineer a general guideline.
Mike
I have version 6 of Sound Forge. a RMS level between 11 and 12 is safe for a Rock album. It will still enable you to preserve the track's nuances.
When I check the RMS level in both Sound Forge and Wavelab they are the same.
Earle
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Re: RMS Levels
RMS is by definition an average. There is no such thing as max or min RMS. See the pdf in my previous post.tcatzere wrote: I assume that when you refer to these RMS levels, you're talking about "average" levels (not maximum, minimum or total RMS levels). Is that correct?
Tom
Mike